Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:31:55 PST From: The Info-Mac Moderators Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #14 To: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Wed, 15 Jan 97 Volume 15 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: [A] Can't shutdown my Mac! Is it alive?? [A] Radius "Direct Color" Video Card [Q] Can't shutdown my Mac! Is it alive?? [Q] Locked Hard Drive? Anyone Got "DAVE" Experiences? CD-ROM Problems Digitizing sound E-mail to Japan in Japanese? Info-Mac Digest V15 #11 Info-Mac Digest V15 #13 Java on a Mac Netscape Crashes New Troubleshooting Web Page Now Utils 6.5 & RamDoubler 2 Okidata Printer Phantom has control of printer port problems with Netscape Problems with UMAX scanner Problem with setting new PMac... Quadra/Performa 630 PPC Upgrade Card? Scripting text file orientation surfing with the enemy Virtual Memory Will there be a MS Word 7 for Mac? 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StarNine develops Internet server software for the Macintosh, including World Wide Web and e-mail publishing systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V15 #14" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:21:00 -0600 From: Bryan.Walls@msfc.nasa.gov (Bryan Walls) Subject: [A] Can't shutdown my Mac! Is it alive?? >But since last week, my Mac IIci seems to want get to life: about three >seconds after I shutdown it, it turns on again! The only way to keep it >turned off is pulling off the powercord from the power supply. > >I know that we can set the Mac to auto-startup in case of power failure >using the Energy Saver CPanel. But this CPanel isn't installed in my Mac >(anyway, this feature doesn't work when the user selects "Shut Down" from >the Special menu). > >Should it be a problem with the power key of my keyboard? Or will I have to >send the Mac to the hospital? > The IIci has a power-on button on the back of the case. It is round, and has a slot in it like the head of a screw. This button can be pushed in and turned (so that is locks in), assuring that the machine will try to come to life as long as there is power coming in the plug. This was terribly handy for server machines. The method of using the Energy Saver Control Panel is effective for the newer machines. The IIci used the older (and probably more reliable) method. Check the back of your mac. I'll bet the button was either accidently pushed and turned, or some not so innocently did the same on purpose... -- Bryan Walls My Words are not NASA Policy EB12 MSFC, AL 35812 Bryan.Walls@msfc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:15:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark E. Ingram" Subject: [A] Radius "Direct Color" Video Card Info-Mac Readers: I recently asked whether a certain Radius "Direct Color" Video Card could be used to drive the Apple Portrait (grayscale) monitor on a Mac IIci. It can't, but here's how I found out for sure: > Further information ond/or replacement parts or supplies or software > can be obtained by contacting Radius Vintage Support directly at > 800-375-9256 (US Only) or 817-756-2408. > Sincerely, > Radius Vintage Advanced Technical Support > RadVintage@aol.com Thanks to all who replied. Mark E. Ingram mingram@mail.orion.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:54:29 -0500 From: Chaz Larson Subject: [Q] Can't shutdown my Mac! Is it alive?? At 5:23 AM -0200 1/14/97, Josmar Arruda wrote: >But since last week, my Mac IIci seems to want get to life: about three >seconds after I shutdown it, it turns on again! The only way to keep it >turned off is pulling off the powercord from the power supply. >Should it be a problem with the power key of my keyboard? Or will I have to >send the Mac to the hospital? It might be a problem with the keyboard power switch. It may also be a problem with the power switch on the back of the machine. The power switch has a lock, which is useful on a server; when the power goes out, the machine comes back up with the power. To engage this lock, you push the power switch in and give it a quarter-turn. This might be causing the problem. Some other questions and things to try: If, instead of pulling the plug, you just reach around and hit the power switch, does that turn it off? Once you've turned it off by unplugging it, does it start back up immediately upon being plugged back in? You can eliminate [or confirm] the keyboard as the culprit by disconnecting it. plug in just the mouse, start up the machine, then try to shut it down normally. if it stays off, you've confirmed the keyboard as the culprit. If it exhibits the same behavior, the keyboard is apparently not involved. chazl 01.14.97 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:36:56 -0500 From: Keith E Gatling Subject: [Q] Locked Hard Drive? It's been a while since I've been around, but I've got this really puzzling problem. One of our teachers somehow did something to the computer in his room so that not only can he not boot from the hard drive anymore, but when you manage to boot from either the CD-ROM or a Zip disk, the hard drive shows up as being locked. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, I'd just copy everything to a Zip disk, reformat the hard drive, and put everything back on. But he's got a quite a bit of stuff in UnderCover fileboxes, which we can't get into unless we boot >From the hard drive, and if I wipe the hard drive, all this stuff goes too. Anyone have a clue as to why this happens and how to unlock the drive? Thanks a lot! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:25:43 -0600 From: Tim Rand Subject: Anyone Got "DAVE" Experiences? Allan Hunter wrote: >Anyone out there have experience with a new cross-platform networking >software that goes by the unlikely moniker of "DAVE"? I was a Beta tester for DAVE and like it a lot. It does do everything that Thursby claims it will do. It is a good, robust package. This product was reviewed in InfoWeek this week as well. In that review, the reviewer had some wierd problem with his TCP/IP connection settings that force a reboot. I, for one, did not have this problem and don't know what he was talking about. >This is apparently NetBEUI for the Mac, something I've always wanted; Probably, more to the point, it implements the SMB protocol which Microsoft has renamed to Common Internet File System (CIFS) in it's bid to get "Internet" into the name. It is NetBIOS (RFC 1001/1002) compliant. >To get to the point, I want access to the shared FileMaker Pro database ... > ... But...will this DAVE thing support cross-platform >concurrent FileMaker Pro database file sharing? Sorry, but I don't have FileMaker PRO and can't answer this point. I do think your approach of upgrading to Filemaker 3.0 which will use TCP/IP Networking should work. What you can do with Dave is have the PC where the FileMakerPro database resides SHARE the database and then you can mount the folder from Chooser just as you would mount an AppleShare volume. Perhaps that will work. > Aside from the FileMaker question (the main issue) >I'm interested in anything that users of DAVE have to say about stability >and reliability. I have found the software stable and reliable. I have run it under OT 1.1.2 and MacTCP as well as on a IIci and PowerMac 8500 with equal reliability. Mostly, I was using DAVE to allow file sharing with our Unix host using SAMBA on the UNIX side. This works wonderfully for file exchange between PCs and Macs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:10:07 -0500 From: "Steven Colucci, Ph.D." Subject: CD-ROM Problems I know there have been frequent postings about CD-ROM problems and I am looking for similar assistance. My Performa 6205 CD does not recognize audio CD's. It had when I first purchased it, but now I get a message that it is not recognizable and do I want to initialize. It still runs my kids' CD's, but not audio. Some time ago, I made a bonehead move and erased my bundled ClarisWorks. So I went to the CD with all the system software to replace it. However, making another bonehead move, I wound up replacing all the software, not realizing I could just do Claris (sigh). I can't say for sure, but it seems that the trouble may have started around the same time. I have followed manual instructions and those posted here. I have opened the sound control panel, selected Sound In, selected Internal, etc. However, while the Playthrough box is selected, the word Playthrough is dimmed. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Mer, 15 Jan 97 14:03:09 +0100 From: Remmy Tourment Subject: Digitizing sound Hello everyone ! I just bought a Performa 6400/200 and would like to use it to digitize sounds (songs) then use a CD-ROM engraver (burner ?) to create my own audio CDs. Has someone experience in this domain that he would share with me ? And some more precise questions that I ask are : What software to do this exist ? What are the sound file format recommended ? What are the softwares that could help me to better the sound ? I mean mainly to convert to CD old vynil records, and old audio tapes, and would like to use something like an automated software to eliminate crack noises from vynil, and hissing noise from the tape, and also a digital equalizer to correct the sound to my liking. What are the errors not to commit ? Is the internal hard drive of the 6400/200 fast enough to use to burn CDs ? Please excuse my bizarre english sentences. Answer to my mail address and I will do a synthesis of the answers to post to the list. Thanks in advance. Remy Tourment ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 1997 14:23:23 GMT From: John_Haywood@knet.gol.com (John Haywood) Subject: E-mail to Japan in Japanese? On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 Tom & Denise Richards asked: *** > I would like ideas on sending e-mail to Japan *in > Japanese*. It would be > composed on my Mac IIsi (US system 7.5.3) and would in all > likelihood be > read on a PC. > > One idea I had was to compose in a text editor in Hiragana > or Katakana, save > as PICT, and send the file as an attachment. On the other > end, the attachment > would be opened in a graphics program. > > Thanks for your ideas. *** Buy the Japanese Language Kit (v1.2), and then use Eudora Lite -J from qualcomm. This should handle the encoding correctly, methinks. The PICT idea is almost sure to fail due to having too many factors (cross-platform, Internet, etc)involved... hth john in kobe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:06:01 -0700 From: Kreme Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #11 On 13/01/97, gary madden wrote: > Anybody having as much problems with their Macs when running Netscape? I > have my Macs freeze or get type 11 errors. I'm running Navigator 2.0 with > system 7.5(update 2.0) on two different Macs (a PowerMac 8500 and an old > but upgraded IIci). I should have sufficient DRAM at 20MB (IIci) and 32MB > (8500). Should I be usding a shareware utility like "Cache Be Gone" to > make sure the cache is cleaned up? First, use netscape 3.01 or 2.02, not 2.0. 2.0 was, in my opinion, a beta release. It doesn't do much BUT crash. Second, set the minimum RAM to at LEAST 14000K for Netscape 3.0, it run so much better, and it looks like you have the RAM to give it. Third, you might try an extension called "Defrost" which is supposed to prevent some of the more common Netscape Type 11 errors. Fourth, get used to it. Both NN and IE love to screw up your computer, and do it constantly. Cyberdog's current version (1.2? 1.2.1?) is pretty stable, though it does require OpenDoc to be installed. | kreme@netcom.com | 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | WWW URL | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:18:03 -1000 From: Curt Fiedler Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #13 A friend of mine is looking for a replacement battery for her PB145B. Does anyone have any experience or recommendations on the various replacement options out there/ ? Thanks! -Curt -- G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:41:32 -0400 From: Laura Subject: Java on a Mac Hi all, I'm using a Performa 6116CD. When I'm on the Internet and I come across a site that uses java applets it doesn't work properly. My browser is Netscape Navigator 3.01. In the documentation for NN it says java enabled but I haven't been able to view most java sites since NN3.0b5 which was the only version where java actually worked right. Well today I came across a site where the java consol had a error posted for WHY it wasn't working. It said "Unable to connect to the server, behind a security firewall". What does this mean? Is there a way of working around it? I've read on various sites that java just doesn't work properly on Macs. Is this true? If so, why? All replies much appreciated. TIA, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 11:44:07 -0600 From: Lanny Chambers Subject: Netscape Crashes >Anybody having as much problems with their Macs when running Netscape? I >have my Macs freeze or get type 11 errors. I'm running Navigator 2.0 with >system 7.5(update 2.0) on two different Macs (a PowerMac 8500 and an old >but upgraded IIci). I should have sufficient DRAM at 20MB (IIci) and 32MB >(8500). Should I be usding a shareware utility like "Cache Be Gone" to >make sure the cache is cleaned up? I'm on a 6100, running System 7.5.5, about 50 extensions, and Netscape 3.0 (in a 14 MB Get Info allocation). I have *very* few bombs of any kind, even in Netscape. However, I point my 20 MB Netscape cache to a partition other than my startup volume: when Netscape crashes, it often causes b-tree corruption of the volume containing its cache, necessitating immediate attention from Norton Disk Doctor (let these little glitches accumulate, and eventually the volume will not mount). Last week, Netscape started freezing upon quitting--the first crash I'd had in months. The problem was solved by deleting the entire cache folder and creating a new one, then running NDD; simply clearing the cache did not work. I've also found that Netscape 3 is faster and much more stable than Netscape 2. The same can be said about 7.5.5 versus 7.5.3, at least on my Power Mac. Try upgrading. Lanny Chambers (creative@inlink.com) St. Louis, USA Visit the Hummingbird Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:23:07 From: "CrashTips" Subject: New Troubleshooting Web Page Zplace has launched a new page devoted to troubleshooting freezes and crashes. It is meant to be a systematic and comprehensive guide to aid users. It includes links at the end and links to key resources. It is unique in pulling to together a wide array of resources. I think your readers would be very interested in its content. Any feedback from you or others is appreciated. It was launched over the holidays. The URL is: http://www.zplace.com/crashtips/ Thanks for your consideration. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 23:33:11 -0500 From: Ed Schaefer Subject: Now Utils 6.5 & RamDoubler 2 I use Now Utilities 6.5.4 and wish to upgrade my copy of RamDoubler to version 2; however, I've heard that RamDoubler 2 and Now Utils 6.5 are NOT compatible. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not, and if it is true, is there a workaround. Thank you! Thank You. Ed Schaefer 5 Liszar Dr./Lewes, DE 19958 302-645-6686 (Office) 302-645-6684 (Fax) 302-644-1820 (Home) edschaefer@del.net (e-mail) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:50:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mercibeate@aol.com Subject: Okidata Printer Hi All, My trusty old desk jet has finally died and it's time to get a laser printer. Due to budget constraints, I'm considering the Okidata OL410e/PS (currently aobut $400 new). I went to the local Comp USA and they had a OL410e (non PS model). I checked a printed sample and was less than impressed, especially when compared to a HP LJ5MP sample. Ok, here's the question: Will the Post Script option on the Okidata provide me with more crisp output that was displayed on the plain 410? If you have any experience with this printer or have any other suggestions for me to consider, I welcome your comments. e-mail replies to mercibeate@aol.com Thank you all. Rob Schilling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:23:34 -0600 From: Wendell Mendell Subject: Phantom has control of printer port I have a Performa 6300CD (details below) with a Color StyleWriter 2400. The combination has worked fine for several months. (Low usage of the printer.) Suddenly, I cannot print due to another application which has control of the serial port. Restarting the machine does not help. I have cleaned out the startup applications, rebuilt the desktop, zapped the PRAM, repaired the hard disk (Disk FirstAid), turned off extensions, reinstalled the printer software, and am at wits end. Any ideas? Are there applications which will free up the printer port? Details: I know about the problems with this model Performa. The Apple-supplied test program says I have a "cache problem". I have been on the list for the mythical Apple house call for 2 months. I cannot exactly remember my usage history between the last time the printer worked and this event. I did have a monitor failure and had it replaced by shipment from Apple. If I was unplugging the monitor from the machine while it was on (as the Apple SOS person said during troubleshooting), could I have fried the printer port? The only other thing I have done is run a couple of multimedia CD's over Christmas. Wendell Mendell mendell@sn3.jsc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:16:42 +0100 From: pbacgh@mbox.vol.it (Paolo Bartoli) Subject: problems with Netscape in reply to your mail in Info-Mac Digest V15 #13 >From: maddeng@mail.apple.com (gary madden) >Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #11 > >Anybody having as much problems with their Macs when running Netscape? I >have my Macs freeze or get type 11 errors. I'm running Navigator 2.0 with >system 7.5(update 2.0) on two different Macs (a PowerMac 8500 and an old >but upgraded IIci). I should have sufficient DRAM at 20MB (IIci) and 32MB >(8500). Should I be usding a shareware utility like "Cache Be Gone" to >make sure the cache is cleaned up? > >Gary Madden, maddeng@apple.com all I can say is that I moved to Netscape 3.0 and System 7.5.4 as soon as I could! I experienced the same problems with freezes, etc. ** Paolo Bartoli email: pbacgh@mbox.vol.it ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 19:33:58 EET From: terry@lohec.freenet.kiev.ua (Terry Schnake) Subject: Problems with UMAX scanner I have recently purchased a brand new UMAX Vista S-6E scanner to be used with Power PC 6100/66, and now I am encountering strange and serious problems. I have carefully followed the hardware installation of the scanner. The manuals that came with it strongly insisted on using a terminator between the SCSI port of the scanner and the cable. I had done that and I had been able to use the system with this configuration for about a week. However, a couple days ago I began experiencing a strange phenomenon. One day after I turned on the computer and it started the booting process it froze up even before the MacOS sign appeared. The problem grew worse and worse. Soon all I was getting from it was the disk image with a blinking question mark on the screen. It took a couple hours of my trying to repair the disk with Norton Disk Doctor before I realized that I should disconnect the scanner from the computer. After I did that the problem was cured. Next thing I attempted to do was to localize the problem by rebooting the computer with and without the terminator and the scanner. It absolutely refused to work with the terminator attached. I thought that I could simply eliminate it >From the SCSI chain, and I after I did that the computer seemed to work flawlessly for some time. However, I noticed that the computer began to freeze more frequently and unexpectedly throughout the day. I detached the scanner completely once again, and everything went back to normal. I also checked if the disk's, the internal CD ROM's and the scanner's SCSI ID numbers coincided, and they did not. It is obvious that I didn't buy the scanner to have it sit on my desk without being attached. On the other hand I don't want to have my computer freeze all the time. Can anybody help me in solving this mystery? Terry L. Schnake President, Word Ministries Intl, Inc. Senior Pastor, Light of Hope Evangelical Church, Kiev US Phone/Fax: (317) 286-7047 US E mail: 102754.2413@compuserve.com Kiev E mail: terry@lohec.freenet.kiev.ua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:49:26 -0500 From: Daniel Lallouz Subject: Problem with setting new PMac... Hello I just purchased a 7100/80 from a friend. I formatted and partitioned the hard drive, installed fresh system software with all the updates, and everything worked allright, but then... Once I reattached my Zip drive, the computer takes three or four restarts before it gets up and running, whether the Zip is plugged in or not. There are no dual SCSI numbers on my chain, and my Zip is NOT set on termination as it's not the last device in the chain. So I've disconnected my Zip for now. I then realized that one of my partitions was too small, so I just went to see if there was any way to change partition sizes without losing data. Of course there wasn't, so I cancelled the process. Now, however, every time I start up, only 1 of three partitions load (that one being the startup disk), and if I start up from an external drive, none load. They all load very quickly if I use a drive mounter or open an alias, but.... this shouldn't be happening. Any advise? Thx in advance. Dan Lallouz dan@prestige-snow.com www.prestige-snow.com PRESTIGE snowboard school/club/=E9cole 2047 Vendome Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) H4A 3M4 tel: (514) 497-7669 fax: (514) 484-0335 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 21:33:18 -0500 From: Bill Mayo Subject: Quadra/Performa 630 PPC Upgrade Card? Hi, Since I'm sort of waiting to see what kind of prices Apple will have on the Halo systems, and I am getting itchy for PowerPC, I was thinking of getting a Quadra/Performa 630 series PPC upgrade card. Only, it looks like they aren't made anymore. I wouldn't mind (and maybe even prefer) buying a used one. Anybody have any idea where I could find one? TIA, Bill Mayo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:43:54 +0100 From: "Norm D'Allura" Subject: Scripting text file orientation Is there a way to take a simpletext file (like a desktop picture) and have a script put it into landscape orientation and print it? SimpleText is not AppleScript savey so a script was not possible. Any other ideas? Norm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:36:36 -0400 From: achabot@ustanne.ednet.ns.ca (Alain Chabot) Subject: surfing with the enemy Hi, I have become so thoroughly disgusted with the way some Java applets make my Power Mac S_L_O_W_ down that I finally decided to try MS IE 3.0. (I know, I should know better). Anyway, I have it up and running, but it keeps telling me there is not enough memory to run Java VM. Just how much RAM does it need? I have given it 10 meg and it still tells me the same thing. AARGHHGGGghhhhhhhhhhh (alain is seen disappearing at the horizon) :) Alain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:15:15 -0700 From: Kreme Subject: Virtual Memory On 14/01/97, Michael Brostr=F6m wrote: > > From: Bill Stanford > > The essential enhancer for a PPC is SpeedDoubler, was at 1.3.1 and is ju= st > > now released at version 2. Using SpeedEmulator and SpeedAccess out of > > this package would certainly speed your 6400. Trouble is of course, the= se > > things do take a bite out of System heap... > > SpeedDoubler? Sounds fine. I'd much rather invest a few bucks in more > RAM and get some zip into my system than be cheap and use VM. Is this > a commercial package or shareware? Actually, You'll still need some sort of VM running. Remember, your PPC apps take up LESS memory if VM is active. One solution is to install Ram Doubler 2 and set it to no VM, just file mapping. This gives you the advantages of VM (the file mapping) without the performance hit. I can't tell a difference in speed with RD2 set to know doubling and not RD2, but everything uses less RAM. > And again I agree. Even Bill Gates dreads Apple losing out. Remember > that competition makes for more inventiveness and better quality. > Monopoly is only fun if you're playing the game! Remember, Bill Gates uses a Mac. After all, he may be a lying sack of thieving scum, but he's smart enough to use a superior operating system. | kreme@netcom.com | 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | WWW URL | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:32:22 -0500 (EST) From: Florin Neumann Subject: Will there be a MS Word 7 for Mac? > Is this [a Mac-native Word 7] true, or is it just another empty promise > circulated by Microsoft? I don't know what Microsloth is doing these days with Word (v. 7 has been available on Wintel for quite some time), but, yes, there were serious rumours from MS that they were seriously at work on a _real_ Mac version of Word, although how seriously one should take MS rumours I can't seriously say. However, at least two previous two versions of Word (v. 4 and v. 5) were not quite the 'genuine' thing. Both relied to a large extent on interpreted (rather than compiled) code (in the PCOD resources). An MS rep tried hard to persuade us that it was done strictly in the interest of better performance, but, for the life of me, I still can't figure out how (at least in Word's circumstances) interpreted code could be faster than compiled code. Anyone else?... > As Cato the Elder said, Delenda Est Microsoft. Actually, as Plutarch tells us, Cato's phrase ended with "esse delendam" ("should be destroyed"). Whether or not it is desirable that Microsoft should share Carthage's fate, it hasn't happened yet. And, to my mind, Amelio's resemblance to Aemilianus grows fainter every day. -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************