From:	gbe@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (GBE)
Subject: CopterKite
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 19:17:49 -1000
Organization: Davis Community Network
Message-ID: <gbe-2905962217190001@dcn80.dcn.davis.ca.us>

  Hello Fellow Kite Addicts,
    I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  They said it was
already in the Kitelines Magazine, but since I do not get that, maybe you
all can tell me about it.  
    It looked like a nice little novelty kite using a wind powered
auto-rotating rotor to lift the kite and also act like a wing on a kite. 
The price was listed at $19.95 (big surprise right!) for 2 for $34.95.

    Please let me know if any of you have seen or read or bought one of
these kites and tell me what you think.

May the Wind be at your back and the Strings be in your hands, GBE



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From:	OU812 <webster9@mail.airmail.net>
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Sun, 2 Jun 1996 05:59:24 -1000
Organization: The Why? Network
Message-ID: <4osdos$202@news-f.iadfw.net>

I've seen the WWW page for this kite...you can even become a distributor of such!!!



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From:	mjpellet <mjpellet@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com>
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:03:08 -1000
Organization: Lockheed Sanders
Message-ID: <31B255EC.3EA@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com>

GBE wrote:
> 
>   Hello Fellow Kite Addicts,
>     I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  They said it was
> already in the Kitelines Magazine, but since I do not get that, maybe you
> all can tell me about it.

I have one of the "Gyrocopters" you mentioned.  My 6 yearold son bought 
it for me a few years back.  Flying toys are a big hit in our family.

I have yet to get the thing off the ground for more than 15-30 seconds.  
I fully attribute this to not enough smooth wind during my attempts and 
lack of experience.  I see the potential when the wind catches the rotor 
and you feel the lift, but the 'copter just rolls out of the wind window 
and crashes, grabbing the flying line and winding it up around the rotor 
(not too nasty to untangle).  I think the 'copter is just a little too 
heavy and needs too much wind (which I don't ever seem to get enough 
of)...  There is an 800 number on the packaging that you can call for 
help if you need it.

The form factor prohibits sticking the thing into my kite bag so it does 
not often find its way to the beach.  Also, the soft plastic construction 
seems like it would not survive storage in my trunk in the heat of 
summer, so I don't keep it with me as often as I do my kites.

There is definite play potential here.  I do plan a another week at the 
beach this summer, the gyrocopter will off the shelf of my kite room and 
back on the beach...aaaahhhh the beach....

See ya'



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From:	daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp)
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:17:16 -1000
Organization: Beckemeyer Development, Oakland CA
Message-ID: <daveculp-0206961317160001@daveculp.dial-up.bdt.com>

> I've seen the WWW page for this kite...you can even become a distributor
of such!!!

Please, for all our sanity, *what's the URL???* (It'd be ever so nice if
you'd e-mail it to me, too, in addition to posting it here.)

Thanks!

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312 Flaming Oak Drive   |
Pleasant Hill, CA 94596 |
http://www.bdt.com:80/home/daveculp/speedsail.html
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From:	kml@mathcs.emory.edu (Kevin Lahey)
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:32:16 -1000
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
Message-ID: <4p077g$o58@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>

In article <gbe-2905962217190001@dcn80.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
GBE <gbe@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>    I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  They said it was
>already in the Kitelines Magazine, but since I do not get that, maybe you
>all can tell me about it.  

URLs for the manufacturer:      

http://www.emrkt.com/gyro-kite
http://www.gyro-kite.rotor.com

I got one a couple of weeks ago.  I'm not sure what to tell you -- if I
had it to do over again, I'm not sure I'd shell out the $20.  It is
pretty difficult to get the kite to fly -- it requires *considerably*
more than the 7 mph wind claimed on the package.  Once it does fly, it
looks (and sounds) pretty cool.   It is fairly unstable in the air,
though, and moderately fragile, as I found to my dismay out at El
Mirage this weekend.  :-(

The kite itself is made out of plastic, with wire landing skids.
Assembly is relatively easy -- you have to fasten the blades to a hub
with screws, then snap the hub onto the kite, and push the landing
skids onto a slot on the fuselage.  The components definitely aren't
worth $20, but, then again, where else are you going to buy an autogyro
kite?

I took the kite to work (NASA Ames), figuring that if I couldn't get it
to fly there, I might as well give it up.  :-)  With the help of a
whole bunch of my fellow computer geeks, I got it up, but it took alot
of fiddling*.  We had to play with the angle of attack alot to get the
blades to really start moving.  Once they did, though, the kite started
to sound like a real helicopter, with a sort of quick whomping sound
which was cool.  It would then take off and fly for awhile, with me
gingerly giving it more line.  It was not very stable in the sky --
it was always shifting around.  Both times we actually got it to fly, 
it ended up crashing hard at the end of the flight.

One of my co-workers was completely entranced by my kite (despite
what I thought was embarassingly poor performance), and went out and
got one.  He reported great success -- he lubricated the hub with
graphite and flew the kite in high winds on the windward side of a
hill.  He claimed that it took alot of line and flew at a high angle.
On enough line, it sounds like the swoops and dips of the gyro-kite
have enough room to work themselves out.

Encouraged by this, I took the kite out to El Mirage this last weekend.  
As someone suggested in another post, it *does* want to melt in the hot
sun -- the blades sagged after being left in the back shelf of my car.
I got it to fly in some reasonable winds, but it didn't want to climb
much.  It finally crashed, breaking off the rear boom on the
(rock-hard) ground.

If you really want an interesting (but flaky) kite, and are willing
to pay a small premium to get it, this isn't such a bad deal.  
It seems like a pretty fun kite, especially if you are willing to
be very careful about where you fly it, and if you have access to
really strong, smooth winds.  Feel free to post or send me mail if 
you have any more questions...

DISCLAIMER:  I've got nothing to do with the company.  I may feel
better or worse about them tomorrow, after I try to get some
replacement parts.  I'm just another kite-geek, trying to have some fun!

Kevin

kml@nas.nasa.gov kml@mathcs.emory.edu http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~kml/
----
*With less help, it might've taken less work to get it flying.  :-)



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From:	"spectre5@hp.kites.com" <spectre5@hp.kites.com>
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:08:05 -1000
Organization: LavaNet, Inc.
Message-ID: <31B4A5B5.271E@hp.kites.com>

GBE wrote:
> 
>   Hello Fellow Kite Addicts,
>     I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  They said it was
> already in the Kitelines Magazine, but since I do not get that, maybe you
> all can tell me about it.
>     It looked like a nice little novelty kite using a wind powered
> auto-rotating rotor to lift the kite and also act like a wing on a kite.
> The price was listed at $19.95 (big surprise right!) for 2 for $34.95.
> 
>     Please let me know if any of you have seen or read or bought one of
> these kites and tell me what you think.
> 
> May the Wind be at your back and the Strings be in your hands, GBE

Be careful when dealing with this one we have never gotten one to fly 
the way it should and with the rotors spinning at the speed that it 
does, it could be dangerous to people in the immediate area should it 
come down the way it always does.
-- 
AxoxmoxoA,
Brian K. Hirose
If you ain't livin on the edge,
You're taking up too much space!



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From:	togilvie@ionet.net (Tim Ogilvie)
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:28:00 -1000
Organization: IONet
Message-ID: <4p1a4g$d4b@ionews.ionet.net>

In article <31B255EC.3EA@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com>, 
mjpellet@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com says...
>
>GBE wrote:
>>     I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  

>I have one of the "Gyrocopters" you mentioned. I have yet to get the thing 
>off the ground for more than 15-30 seconds. I fully attribute this to not 
>enough smooth wind during my attempts.

	I have a GryoKite (tm); probably the same type of 'copter you're 
referring to. It takes A LOT more wind than the instructions say it does 
(bottom of the wind range is supposedly 7 mph; probably takes TWICE that.) 
The rotors REALLY have to be humming to keep it airborne. In a good wind, 
though, I've staked mine out and it's flown on it's own for up to about 20 
minutes at a time. 

>but the 'copter just rolls out of the wind window and crashes

	Mine had a tendency to roll in one direction, so I bent the rotor 
shaft slightly in the opposite direction to compensate, and it worked like a 
charm.

	Now, when axels get too boring, we can start working on 
translational lift speed, dynamic rollovers, and gyroscopic precession.  :)

Tim Ogilvie
togilvie@ionet.net



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From:	rmasu@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Tue, 4 Jun 1996 04:24:56 -1000
Organization: Netcom
Message-ID: <4p2ihe$gfv@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>

gbe@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (GBE) wrote:

>  Hello Fellow Kite Addicts,
>    I just saw an info-mercial about the CopterKite.  They said it was
>already in the Kitelines Magazine, but since I do not get that, maybe you
>all can tell me about it.  
>    It looked like a nice little novelty kite using a wind powered
>auto-rotating rotor to lift the kite and also act like a wing on a kite. 
>The price was listed at $19.95 (big surprise right!) for 2 for $34.95.

>    Please let me know if any of you have seen or read or bought one of
>these kites and tell me what you think.

>May the Wind be at your back and the Strings be in your hands, GBE
I also saw that infomercial today!  The thing looks pretty neat.  But
I bet it'll come out soon in kite stores for alot cheaper.  I wonder
if you could connect two lines to make it more controllable?




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From:	kml@mathcs.emory.edu (Kevin Lahey)
Subject: Re: CopterKite
Date:	Wed, 5 Jun 1996 06:20:42 -1000
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
Message-ID: <4p4c4q$pom@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>

In article <4p077g$o58@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>,
Kevin Lahey <kml@mathcs.emory.edu> wrote:
>DISCLAIMER:  I've got nothing to do with the company.  I may feel
>better or worse about them tomorrow, after I try to get some
>replacement parts.

Well, I just talked to the Gyro-Kite folks (1-800-99-ROTOR), and they
promptly offered to send me a new body piece -- FOR FREE.  I've certainly
got nothing to complain about now.  In future, I'll remember
to fly my kite over soft grass, and in smooth, strong winds...

Fly kite!

Kevin

kml@nas.nasa.gov kml@mathcs.emory.edu http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~kml/



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