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Info-Mac Digest Thu, 28 Oct 99 Volume 16 : Issue 359
Today's Topics:
[A] Mac to NT net work reference
Disconnect between PowerPC and Monitor
DRAGONS LURKING IN OS 9 CONVERSION
DRAGONS LURKING IN OS 9 CONVERSION
jingle of the keys
Serial Port Spy Needed
sounds & OE
spelling checker & Eudora 4.2.1
Top 50 innovations of the 20th century
Wingz problem
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:39:03 -0400
From: Ken Laskey <kenneth.j.laskey@saic.com>
Subject: [A] Mac to NT net work reference
>> Can anyone recommend a good source for detailed information on connecting a
>> Mac to an NT network?
Check the NT documentation for Services for Macintosh (SFM).
Ken Laskey
kenneth.j.laskey@saic.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:04:43 -0400
From: Ed Ver Hoef <everhoef@digizen.net>
Subject: Disconnect between PowerPC and Monitor
I have a Performa 6116CD running (I believe) OS 8.0. My monitor is a
Trinitron Multiscan 100ES. Yesterday I installed Netscape 4.6 from a CD I
had received from Mac Home Magazine. (I have been using an earlier version,
I believe 4.05.) The installation appeared to go OK and finally advised me
it wanted to restart my computer. I gave approval and the restart process
started. It never completed. I get the opening chime and it sounds normal
but absolutely nothing shows up on my monitor, not even a sad mac. I tried
starting with a System 8 CD but to no avail. The only unusual symptom
(other than the obvious failure) that I don't recall seeing before is that
the little power-on light on the monitor was yellow instead of the normal
green. I cycled it off and on again but, though it initially was green,
after a few seconds there was a click and it turned yellow again. To check
out the monitor itself, I connected it to my G3 Powerbook and it works fine.
I am at a loss as to what to try next. I don't have another monitor to try
with the Performa. I would sincerely appreciate any words of wisdom from
anyone who has any suggestions or explanations.
Ed Ver Hoef
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:27:47 -0700
From: cp <rcpmac@wolfenet.com>
Subject: DRAGONS LURKING IN OS 9 CONVERSION
Re: DRAGONS LURKING IN OS 9 CONVERSION
Michael P. Cole wrote:
>
> Problem TWO: Netscape Communicator 4.6.1. My Netscape files have left
> home. I know that they are hiding somewhere in my hard drive, but at
> the moment my address book (big), bookmarks (even bigger file), and
> stored messages have disappeared. I never really learned how to back
> these files up, so until I can figure how to get those files back, I'll
> have to restore the first two items one by one.
> I don't know why the OS 9 upgrade should affect Netscape, but it most
> certainly did. And to add insult to injury, I found Internet Explorer
> and Outlook Express featured throughout the OS 9 upgrade software. It
> took me a bit of time to ditch it but it kept cropping up all over the
> place in the set-up steps, and later.
>
Those Netscape files are stored in the system/preferences/netscape
folder. Here is a simple tip. If you cannot locate something on your
Mac, Use "Find File" / "Sherlock", and search any keywords even
remotely related to what you seek. In this case the searchword book
yields among 30 other results, Bookmarks html, and "abook" which is the
address book. Searchword "mail" yields a file containing all of your
inbox sent and trashed mail docs.
Chris Pfohl
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:18:10 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
Subject: DRAGONS LURKING IN OS 9 CONVERSION
> I hope that your forthcoming comments on OS 9 will cover a wide range of
> incompatabilities---and they appear to be numerous.
> I installed OS 9 (clean install) two days ago.
>
> Problem ONE: Crash on startup. The culprit was Norton Utilities File
> Saver Extension. I couldn't boot up because the system kept jamming.
> Finally, I figured out that if I started up from the OS 9 CD, I could
> sneak into my hard drive and drag out Norton Utilities (Anti-virus may
> or may not be working). Once I removed it, I could start. And I just
> paid quite a bit for the Norton Utilities upgrade. Unfortunately, I
> can't use either Disk Doctor or Speed Disk (to optimize) from the CD
> because I get a message that says that the program is incompatible with
> OS 9. Wonderful.
If I had a dime for everyone who's complained about Norton Utilites
crashing this and Norton Utilities crashing that, I'd be a rich man...a
major reason I don't _own_ NU. I make regular backups, and rely on that
and Disk First Aid, or Tech Tool Pro to keep my disk healthy. Go get
Alsoft's Disk Warrior, then throw Nortons' Utilities out the window as
far as you can throw them.
Me, I make a backup to a CDR (You can get old and slow, but perfectly
good CDR drives from Corporate Systems Center (http://www.corpsys.com)
for $99, and I just saw a CD-RW for $150 the other day), and if Disk
First Aid doesn't fix the problem, I reformat the disk, start over.
Did you try starting with extensions OFF, perhaps? That would have
allowed you to fix the problem without resorting to booting from the
CD. As for compatibility with system releases released AFTER the
software in question...what, are you expecting them to be psychic?
Especially Nortons, who took months and months to make NU work with
system 8.1's HFS?
> Problem TWO: Netscape Communicator 4.6.1. My Netscape files have left
> home. I know that they are hiding somewhere in my hard drive, but at
> the moment my address book (big), bookmarks (even bigger file), and
> stored messages have disappeared. I never really learned how to back
> these files up, so until I can figure how to get those files back, I'll
> have to restore the first two items one by one.
Ummm. there's a woderful tool, called Sherlock, perhaps you've heard
about it? look for 'bookmark'. I am being sarcastic here.
> I don't know why the OS 9 upgrade should affect Netscape, but it most
> certainly did. And to add insult to injury, I found Internet Explorer
> and Outlook Express featured throughout the OS 9 upgrade software. It
> took me a bit of time to ditch it but it kept cropping up all over the
> place in the set-up steps, and later.
The problem was the clean install you did. All of netscapes user files
are contained in the Netscape prefs folder in your (now) Old system
folder (sure hope you didn't just toss it in the trash after you were
done...). Netscape looks in the current system folder for it's files.
Just move the files from the old folder to the new one.
Better yet, move them to someplace you want them, such is in folders
that you do back up regularly, and change the location of those files in
Netscape's preferences. We've don that on the macs here at work...moving
the Netscape user folders to a network volume, so that you can sit down
at any system, and deal with the same addressbook and bookmark files.
This is one reason Apple (and others) have been suggesting since OS 7.6
that you really should do a 'in place' upgrade versus a clean install.
IF you haven't noticed, ALL of your extra extensions, preferences,
fonts, etc have not reappeared.
> Problem THREE: Adobe ATM and ATR. At least the OS 9 info contained a
> warning about Adobe Type Manager and Adobe Type Reunion, so I removed
> them before I installed OS 9. However, I just paid quite a bit for the
> latest version of ATM/ATR (no free upgrade there).
The upgrade for OS 9 is available now on Adobe's web site:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/atmmac.htm a free, 2.6 mb
download.
> The OS 9 info gave a
> URL for Adobe's planned remedy to this problem. However, what good will
> that do if I've removed the applications from my system. They'll
> probably make me pay for a CD again.
Free download. If it's an update, simply re-install the old version back
on your disk, then update it. I don't see why you think they'll make you
pay for it.
> I haven't had a chance to try applications other than Microsoft Word
> (which seems, repeat seems, to be all right) but I am apprehensive.
Which is a classic reason why system upgrades, especially whole number
ones (usually signifying major changes), should be approached with some
caution. Was your old system broke? If not, why fix it? (Most apps, btw,
do seem to be working fine...many of the early reports of 'incompatible'
applications were based on single reports and were usually due to other
things.
This minds me of the old Sym's slogan.. "Our best customer is an
educated consumer"
You broke some cardinal rules of system upgrades: (modestly called
Johnson's Rules of Upgrading...as I've given this lecture to countless
people here at the college over the years.)
0) If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix It. Why are you upgrading? Is there some
feature you really, really need? A program you use that requires the new
system? A massive increase in stability? Or is it 'Keeping up with the
Jobses'? See rule 4, but Rule 0 is just so applicable to everything in
life, I put it in front.
1) Back up essential files. Bookmarks, e-mail, and address books
certainly count. What would you do if your hard drive crashed?
2) Know Thy System. Unfortunately, Apple's very success with the Mac
belies this. As easy to use as the Mac is, since the days of 128k Mac,
400k disks and two applications, we have progressed to hundred megabyte
system folders, networking, thousands of applications, a plethora of
system extensions, and all the attendant complexities.
Sadly, you can't just always turn on your mac and use it with no idea of
how things work, and this is an example. At the very least you should
know where important files are stored.
3) Back up essential files. When _was_ the last time you backed up all
your data?
4) Let someone _else_ suffer the slings and arrows of intemperate
upgrades. Wait a bit. Read the usual suspect web sites (Macintouch,
MacFixit, Macnn, among others). Go to the web sites of the companies
that make your software, see what _they_ say about OS9 compatibility. If
it's something you can't live without (and ATM ranks up there, in my
opinion) wait 'till they fix it. See rule 0.
5) Did I mention to back up essential files...go ahead, I'll wait ;-)
6) Never do a 'Easy Install'..._always_ choose 'Custom Install' even if
you just select everything anyway, at least this way you know what's
being installed. That could have avoided installing Internet Explorer
and Outlook.
As a rule Mac upgrades are easier than most others...even I have broken
the rules above on many occasions, something I would never do with the
Windows boxes here at work. As for the Unix and NT servers...well, we've
spent days, zen like, contemplating the consequences of change before
embarking on major upgrades...time enough to really make sure we've done
steps 1-6 above.
(who can't wait for Mac OSX to arrive and has a completely _separate_
hard drive waiting for it...)
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:38:46 -0400
From: "W. McCarthy" <mccarthy@his.com>
Subject: jingle of the keys
How can I turn _off_/bypass/cause to stop the sound of the jingling
of the keys on the "keychain" in OS 9? I like the chain itself, but
one jingle per session is plenty for me, and I've already grown
really tired of hearing it every time Eudora checks the mail. A look
through the more obvious "preferences" was not successful.
Thanks,
Bill McC
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:27:26 +0700
From: Raymond Weisling <fire.mountain@post1.com>
Subject: Serial Port Spy Needed
About 4-6 years ago I found a Mac application that would watch both
serial ports and save the incoming data to a pair of windows. The
idea was to connect the two serial ports to an external serial
connection, like a wiretap, say between another Mac and a printer or
modem, so as to see what is going back and forth. It could also be a
PC, obviously, sending data to any serial device.
I have been on the web searching for it or a anything like it, but so
far haven't found anything. But maybe someone on this list knows of
one. Or has a copy of the old one from some years ago (can't remember
the name, and I've searched hi and low, on all still-working floppies
from 1990-up).
It is **not** the same as Comm Sleuth from Always Thinking Software.
That watches serial data going both directions on one port on the
same machine as the user program you want to "spy" on, e.g., between
say a web browser and a modem. Likewise, "Serial of Champions" is a
port analysis tool, not a data logger.
In case you want to know why I need it, I need to be able to watch
data between a PC and a network of serial transponders I designed
that are used in a proprietary signalling system. If I can't find one
I'll have to write my own, but prefer not to re-invent a wheel.
Zillions of thank-yous to whomever can help me.
Ray Weisling
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 05:10:50 -0400
From: chazzz <macman@kyol.net>
Subject: sounds & OE
The sounds issue is a nuisance. The only way to alter the sounds is to
download the OE sound patch<www.versiontracker.com> or use Agent Audio
<www.clixsounds.com>
--
Windoze will soon join Edsel and the Beta tape format as good ideas gone
bad.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:34:22 +0100
From: Ezra Nathan <ezra@watchit.demon.co.uk>
Subject: spelling checker & Eudora 4.2.1
Hello>
I use Eudora 4.2.1 and like the spell checker working as I type.
However, it is a US dictionary that is being used. I have a British
dictionary to check with under command 7 but can't get it to work as
I type. Does anyone know how I can swap the US dictionary for the
British one?
I have e-mailed this query to Eudora (Qualcomme) via their web site
but have not had any reply.
Thanks.
> Ezra
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:59:44 -0400
From: "Peter J. Paul" <pjp@cheerful.com>
Subject: Top 50 innovations of the 20th century
check out position 5 and position 50.
http://www.latimes.com/business/reports/top50/circuit.htm
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:44:35 -0700
From: Doug Hardie <bc979@lafn.org>
Subject: Wingz problem
>I'm finding that Wingz 1.1 repeatedly crashes (error type 1) on launch
>under System 8.6, even with all extensions off. It worked fine on OS's
>before 8.5 (not sure about 8.5 itself). Anyone got any suggestions,
>other than to buy the newest version? email to
>forbes@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Graeme Forbes
>
I have been heavily using Wingz 1.1 on MacOS 8.6 on a PB 3400 since 8.6
came out. I have not had any problems with it. Perhaps it needs to be
reinstalled. However, it is showing its age and I hope to upgrade anyway.
-- Doug
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